No allies buying babies
Dave Rubin began his career in the late 1990s as an intern for Jon Stewart, the alleged comedian who was then the host The daily News. In the early years of the new millennium, he switched to the podcast game, directing such hits as Hot gay comics and The Ben & Dave Show, “the irreverent show where anything goes,” hosted by here!, an LGBT TV network. He was the host until 2013 The Rubin Report, an online political talk show, for Cenk Uygur’s leftist group The Young Turks. After a few years, he became self-employed and has since been making a kind of public journey, from progressive to liberal to self-proclaimed conservative (read: still liberal).
In an interview with the Daily Signal last year, Rubin explained that while he describes himself as a conservative, he doesn’t really mean it conservative:
I actually believe that even on the conservative side there is a broad tent on all sorts of issues. So you could even take an issue like abortion, which for conservatives, you know, it’s usually taken to be what you’re thinking about Got to be for life. Well look, there’s people like Rudy Giuliani – who is that? apparently a conservative who’s obviously worked for President Trump — he’s pro-choice, he’s reluctantly pro-choice. He wants very specific boundaries for it and stuff like that. Nobody goes around saying they’re not a conservative.
I am. If we cannot draw a line between ourselves and those who would sanction the industrial slaughter of unborn innocents, then American conservatism is not only pointless but actively destructive. I don’t care how big the tent is; If there are baby killers in it, I’ll go.
Yet we cannot afford, if only for electoral reasons, to be purists on every single issue of lesser moral substance. Alliances inherently create tensions between the interests of each party. The question is where do we draw the line. Bring in socially conservative Reagan supporters who insist on a laissez faire economic agenda? For sure. Grassroots liberals who might not be outraged by the legalization of marijuana? I suppose we could too. Foreign policy hawks who are solid on domestic issues? That’s a harder question.
And what about the trendy conservative ally of the week: the bright liberal who is most likely a gay political commentator (Rubin, Andrew Sullivan, Chadwick Moore, Douglas Murray, Bari Weiss, etc.)?
If there was any hope that such people belonged in the new conservative movement, Dave Rubin broke up this week by announcing that he and his legal husband (aka Dave) are expecting two children next fall. The announcement was met with effusive congratulations from some leaders of the Very Online Right – including many whose good work suggests they should know better, from Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ press secretary to anti-CRT Crusader Christopher Rufo. Even high-profile accounts dedicated to exposing the madness of the LGBT left switched sides to declare their approval of the Rubins’ imminent raising of two children. Et tu, @libsoftiktok?
In a video posted to his YouTube channel, Rubin vividly explains how he and fellow Dave created these two children. First, however, he explains that he was so career-driven that he never seriously considered having children. He muses, “I guess in a weird way the gay thing makes it easy for you because, AhI’m not a scientist, however Ahit’s difficult for two physical males or two physical females to actually procreate unaided.” (Difficult? Does that mean they can do it if they really put their mind to it?)
Rubin goes on to explain that growing up in the dark ages of 1980s New York, he didn’t think it was entirely normal for two men to have babies together. But he quickly regains his composure: “I don’t like the word normal.”
But the other Dave eventually wore him down, and the two men plunged into what seems utterly dystopian to a reasonable observer:
These are young women willing to donate their eggs, and women obviously make a lot of eggs –Ah, some make lots of eggs, some don’t make eggs. But the donors are usually young and healthy, and if they want to help people who would otherwise not be able to have children, they can donate their eggs. So you basically go to all these websites, there are all these websites, and it’s something like Tinder or some other app that you’ve dated, where you just swipe through people and you’re like, ‘Oh, I like the way she looks” or “this girl had a great education” or a combination of these. … And you know, there are different tariffs and all these things.
This last sentence presumably refers to the amount of money Ruby would have paid a particular woman to buy her eggs.
The podcaster goes on to explain that a number of eggs – 18 the first time around – were taken from this woman and divided into two groups, each of which would be fertilized with the sperm of one of the two men. “Some of it needs it, some doesn’t,” but suffice it to say that a whole range of zygotes – biologically distinct human beings – were created during the process.
And then you need deputies. So obviously the surrogate mother is the woman who then carries the child to term. So basically here we have a baby from my stuff and a baby from David’s stuff, but they’re both going to have the same biological mother — and we wanted them to have that kind of genetic connection. And right now there are two really amazing women – and you know, being a surrogate is no easy thing. It’s not something people really do for money. They are certainly doing it for a higher purpose. And really two absolutely amazing women are carrying our babies right now.
This is evil, plain and simple. Dave and Dave paid to create about 18 unique, individual humans just for that two of them could be successfully implanted in rented wombs and delivered to their buyers after an interval of nine months. The fate of the other 16 does not need to be explained.
This, of course, is the main problem: the moral abomination of surrogacy itself, the commercialization of the human child, the relegation of women to the status of incubators. But there is also a secondary concern.
The same people who make a living by letting Lia Thomas, who is a man, swim in his college women’s races can’t turn around and tell us there’s nothing wrong with two guys having babies together. Is there a difference between men and women or not?
The normalization of homosexuality, and in particular the normalization of homosexual parenthood, inevitably leads to the encroachment of the more radical gender ideology from the left today. If men and women are completely interchangeable in sex and in the roles of mother and father—those things that are most closely related to biological reality—then Of course they must be interchangeable in everything else. The premises underlying the assumption of L, G and B sooner or later logically lead to T.
A conservative movement that makes peace with the first three must reckon with the latter—with all the agony and chaos that entails. It also has to answer for the kids who became lab waste so Dave Rubin could feel a little more fulfilled, and the two survivors who were forced to grow up without a mother. It will carry the weight of an order where eggs and wombs and babies are bought and sold and rented and helpless children made and paid for by the sterile West are left stranded in a war zone.
Rubin has a book out next month. It’s called Don’t burn this country. I wish he would make the prospect a little less enticing.